DART-Europe is a partnership of research libraries and library consortia who are working together to improve global access to European research theses. WHAT has religion to do with dates?! Pingback: 24-Hour Clock | Not One-Off Britishisms. Champions League Men. The ISO standard uses hyphens, not slashes, to separate yyyy-mm-dd. Given that >90% of pre-1900 sword-armed road travellers were right-handed, they passed to the left of each other. There is much more to be said but I’m trying to concentrate on the question! en . (Using dots (which denote ordinal numbering) as in d.m. In October 2020 compared with September 2020, seasonally adjusted production in the construction sector increased by 0.5% in the euro area and by 0.9% in the EU, according to first estimates from Eurostat, the statistical office of the European … Central European Time (CET) is 1 hour ahead of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). numeric dates and verbal constructs: Promotion d’opportunités de formation pour les producteurs et travailleurs pour permettre un développement continu des … – September the 11th. Took a bit but you learn by error. Just out of curiosity, Methos, how much do you weigh in kilograms? Join University of Melbourne lecturer Clare Richardson and DW News presenter Rebecca Ritters as they explore the … 4/9/12 is ambiguous. Writers have traditionally written abbreviated dates according to their local custom, creating all-numeric equivalents to dates … Stones, gallons and yards will surely follow. So AMERICAN disaster of 911 would be written as 11/9/2001 or 11th September,2011 or even September 11th,2001. Different Departements in France had completely different systems. Especially, how do you sort dates on a computer when the date is embedded in a name or some other field that the computer doesn’t ‘know’ is a date? How can some NOOB contributors be so dumb? Because this is 2016 and everything is computerized now. Countries used to be ‘the world’ – now not so. I weight 82kg and I am 1.78m tall. The date order on the card was always Day, Month, Year. Get it right! I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. Not so re cooking or spelling or grammar, they’re flexible, ditto which side of the road a country opts to drive on. Designed to increase data privacy for EU citizens, the regulation levies steep fines on organizations that don’t follow the law. How do you alphabetize things? Eurostyle is logical … preceding from the smallest to the largest unit. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. There was even a letter this week to our local rag bemoaning the lack of anything formal…which there is and I believe its the ISO standard yyyy-mm-dd. Doc would stand there and be trying to convert in their head to inches! How do you write numbers? I frequently use up so much of my attention on the month-day/day-month puzzle that I have none left for writing the correct year. As for driving on which side of the road, remember, please blame Napoleon! The American sequence month/date/year is totally illogical. By the leftmost(first) character of course! We SAY month-day (and if need be -year), thus we write mm-dd-yy or mm/dd/yy. South Korea, Japan, and China are those countries, they write year-month-day. You will know better than I do, but I think also, historically, there was some overlap between the US and European formats. And I am the only one in our family whose birthdate can be misconstrued – the others are lucky enough to be past 12 in the month. The countries of Europe had many different systems of weighing, measuring and distance. Checks? Your examples don’t really show anything. Napoleon? The format with the slashes can be confusing (for day/months 12 and under) when you work for a US-based global company as you don’t quite know which format people are using so I prefer writing it in day, month, year format. One can go on and on: the US system is supremely ILLOGICAL. Applying logic in encoding data nurtures critical intelligence. Concern is mounting in Europe as countries smash records for daily coronavirus cases and the World Health Organization warns that the daily … Everything ends up in a computer eventually! Find out more. The UK, Ireland, Malta, and Cyprus are the only holdouts left in Europe driving on the left side of the road. Were they full of left-handed knights? As a Brit living in the US, it took me a while to get used to giving my birthdate in the US form. I write the full name of each month (first) then the day and year, which has been working just fine my entire life. Thank goodness with unknowing wisdom the powers that be elected 11/11 to be Remembrance Day. So there you have it: one document, one country, two different date notations. Thousands of high school and college students are no doubt writing MLA-formatted essays right now. True?). What percentage of the English population can tell you how much they weigh in kilograms? During the French Revolution, a decree of 1792 created a uniform traffic law, requiring traffic to keep to the “common” right. Europe to Date is the podcast bringing you European affairs through the eyes of two foreign journalists. Others write 2016, June 25 or 2016.06.25 either of which is substantially easier to organize a group of records because everything is in order. Frederick the Great’s comments on the Church of England apply an all cases. XBX 1431 There is an order: some days are a month, some months are a year. I see no reason why gunpowder treason 9 April 2012; April 9, 2012; 2012-09-04; and many other options are all unambiguous. We had a unified system of weights, measurement and distance. Hey… I live in the US and I don’t understand why people don’t use the metric system. So, it is likely that the notation was added simply as a label.'”. I own a number of domains hosted by a large US domain seller, and have on several occasions come close to failing to renew these in time due to misunderstanding the renewal date – when I see on their site that a particular domain must be renewed by “3/11/2012″, I think I’ve got till 3rd November to sort it out! Perhaps thinking "When in Rome...," Barack Obama used European format when he signed the guestbook at Westminster Abbey. Like it’s the 35 minute with 12 seconds at 2 o’clock! That we aren’t I don’t take to be a sign of some failing on the part of one nation or another. Dans les Europes - jour 10. The Design, Automation, and Test in Europe (DATE) Conference and Exhibition is an annual event, scheduled in 2020 to be held March 9–13, 2020, at the Alpexpo Congress Centre in Grenoble. Believe me they often email me many months in advance! There is only one correct way to write a date, year then month then day. The most significant digits come first, not last! White and Strunk in Elements of Style urge use of the non-comma format for composition. Publishing date: 08/10/2015 We appreciate your feedback Please click on the icon to take a 5’ online survey and provide your feedback about this document. UEFA.com is the official site of UEFA, the Union of European Football Associations, and the governing body of football in Europe. I THORT Canada followed UK format (dd-mm-yy) and was horrified this evening (11th october) to hear chortling news item on CTV about this date reading 10-11-12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you sort dates? I’ve seen yyyyy-mm-dd used in in South Africa – the stamps in my passport were in that format. And your argument doesn’t apply to the other examples. (yy)yy or d. mmmm yyyy (mmmm may be substituted by Roman numerals), The format dd.mm.yyyy using dots (which denote, Short format: dd/mm/yyyy (Day first, month and year in left-to-right writing direction) in French and Fulah. I will urge others to do so ( especially if it irritates others) Why change it if it ain’t broke? (yy)yy or sometimes d. month (yy)yy). Have you also been petitioning Her Majesty’s government for the creation of a British Academy to do away with this kind of “absolutely senseless” spelling? However, I bet all the countries he once ruled now use the Euro numeric. As John Adams wrote “The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. Gregorian dates follow the same rules but tend to be written in. Nobody would do this because everybody would say “there’s an order”! So why this disgusting date format?! In Prussia there are many roads, Each man must find his own way.”. I’ve had a love/hate affair with this since my early twenties when I spent three years in France. Dans les Europes - jour 10. European Union website - EUROPA is the official EU website that provides access to information published by all EU institutions, agencies and bodies. This second update of the original document integrates the experience of maintaining safe and sufficient supply of substances of human origin (SoHO) gained in the course of the COVID-19 pandemic and through recent scientific developments in understanding the evolution of the disease. Mainland China invariably writes 2016/01/06 since the past 60 years. This video is unavailable. I am a Brit and we can and do frequently use the month-day-format, which many on this site seem to consider American. JOHN – but we live in a world now. Trying to spend all day converting one to the other will drive you bonkers. Also, I’ve noticed that when spoken, oftentimes news presenters will say a date in US format when referring to iconic date. …I also prefer comma-free Brit correspondence style. Change ). Sensible! To get the latest major update of Windows 10, see Get the Windows 10 May 2020 Update. 2012-09-04 can ONLY mean the fourth of September, 2012. I told him in kilos “How much is that in old money?” he asked. My intuition would put the number at 3/4 *at least.*. Big OOps in Canada….. “Over 1/2 of the US can’t tell if a Celsius temperature is hot or cold.”. Website updates. Putting the most significant digits on the left means that everything will sort correctly. Er…. Oracle Databases also default to 12-APR-2012, which is kinda interesting for an American country. The logic shifts (and logically so) depending on what is most relevant in terms of our daily work. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. mmmm d, yyyy is sometimes used, usually informally in the mastheads of magazines, schools, newspapers. Your comment about the ‘”9/11″ precedent’ intrigued me because it left me wondering whether you were aware of the significance of 911 in the U.S. (It’s the nationally recognized number to dial in an emergency. Use those. Dates are critical info and it IS confusing when they’re illogical, and used on key documents that cross borders. Europe Blog notes, “The only countries that do not share the European date format in fact are the US, Philippines, Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, Canada and Belize.” And Europe Blog is slightly incorrect, having forgotten about Japan, which would write today’s date as 2015/09/08 (2015, September 08). Portal for open access research theses. There are so many things that our conservative party refuses to consider to change. I have been failed in my maths exam for substituting the one with the other. “No, because it’s on the 7th of August. Get the latest European news from BBC News in Europe: headlines, features and analysis from BBC correspondents across the European Union, EU, and the rest of Europe. They got rid of shilling, fathoms and bushels already. When Napoleon took over he stopped that and unified France. The travel industry is the same way everything is day first then month then year. Personally, I prefer the Asian style date format: year, month, day. If they ping you in February for a March renewal you might suspect the date in the mail doesn’t indicate November. Any thoughts? I would have to think hard to know what those were was in archaic measures but then I was taught in metric from when I was in my early teens. Remove all; Yes, there are situations where this will probably never matter, for example dating a letter. I only use purely numerical formats when the reader is not North American. Isn’t the main issue here the NUMERIC presentation? There is no usage in which this could mean the ninth of April, 2012. Although the ISO standard specifies dash rather than slash as the separator. If you write YYYY-MM-DD, that’s ok and ISO standard… Making a habit of doing things the right way ALL the time means you will do it the right way when it counts. South Africa’s also the only English-speaking country I’ve been to that uses the decimal comma instead of the decimal point. The format dd.mm.yyyy using dots is the Hebrew format. To me, it sounds like you’re saying that this September is one of the 11ths or the 11th instance of a September (or 9 generations after September, Jr.). I finally made charts for the consultation rooms to show how big 3cm, 5cm, 7cm, 9cm so doctor would say you have a 2cm mole on your back that we need to take off today. (BTW my use of suspension points in e-writing derives from Whitman’s 1855 preface. That meant bringing together the different systems used in France, That meant unification. This natural order (not the European one) is used in China and Japan. I made a personal switch to the metric system when I was at a healthcare organization and all the physicians had to refer to different things as ##cm or ##mm for various sizes of lacerations or abnormal growths that are removed. Dec, 15 2020 See More. But when giving the date in full, you can just as easily say July 4th 2012 as 4th July 2012, without its sounding in the slightest unnatural or affected. Taxes de canvi històriques de l'Euro en comparació amb divises d'Amèrica del Nord i del Sud a dia 10 de gener de 2020 (10/1/2020) *ISO => CCYY-MM-DD I have some French colleagues who insert a comma between the day and month in European format, but not sure if that’s a personal quirk or a continental rule. My family were all born in the UK, but my children were largely schooled in BC. Long date with weekday: onsdag(,) den 21. december 1994. The doctor recently asked me how much I weighed. Makes perfect sense too. 4/9/12, on the other hand, could mean either date, according to whether one is using US or rest-of-the-world dates. Days and Hours are more critical than Years and Seconds. Interesting stuff about Napoleon and unification and I’m sure there was a time when some Canadian provinces drove on the left. As with many things, Canada goes with the flow. True, American historians attempting to appeal to the masses may revert to April 12, 2012, but those writing for scholarly journals will not. Even though I live in the US the Euro & ISO formats are more logically organized. Watch Queue Queue. today is 20 IV ’12. 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Remember, remember the fifth of November, In America, we do not ever properly say “July 4th, 2017.” The correct usage in our system is “July 4, 2017.” The “th” is reserved for adjectival treatment: “The 4th of July.”. standard that the UK has now also adopted, although 999 still works. As a native I can vouch for this. In my opinion, the U.K./European way looks cooler than the U.S. style; it also avoids having to use commas and decide whether to write 9 or 9th. VING INSURANCE BROKERS LTD DAN Building, Level 2-3, Sir Ugo Mifsud st, Ta' Xbiex, Malta. The bank doesn’t seem to care as long as it’s got my signature 😉. Obvious: two horsemen approach on a road, equally suspicious of each other. *DMY => DD.MM.YY Faceplam, what a dumkopf! The fraction form. ( Log Out /  To my knowledge, THAT format takes places on 10th November…NOT NOW. However 112 also works in the UK (though most Brits don’t know that), because it’s the standard EU-wide emergency number. I’ve just been reading through the above for the first time. I’ve just read this extraordinarily rude and ill-mannered reply. I often get the year of my birth wrong, writing the current year by mistake. )", "BS ISO 8601:2004 – Data elements and interchange formats. No, that is entirely illogical. Today, the Ryder Cup is golf’s pre-eminent event, biennially bringing together 12-member teams from the U.S. and Europe for glory and pride on a three-day worldwide stage. Spanning 91 years and now 42 competitions, the Ryder Cup also is among the last great professional sporting events where winning, and not prize money, is the reward. Also, there are many explanations for this. When is Christmas? European Commission - Energy Policy Prix à la consommation des produits pétroliers droits et taxes compris Consumer prices of petroleum products inclusive of duties and taxes Verbraucherpreise für Mineralölerzeugnisse einschließlich Abgaben und Steuern Euro-super 95 (I) Gas oil automobile Automotive gas oil … 'Ginger,' 'Bits,' 'Whinge,' and other U.K. expressions that have got popular in the U.S. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Seems to me I discovered recently it’s a totally different 3-digit number in the UK. EMD Response 1 /32 ... Europe is currently characterised by a patchwork of bespoke national support mechanisms, both to OK, I’m from Europe, so I’m a little bit prejudiced. ( Log Out /  Before the Revolution in France, in different Departements, people used to drive on different sides of the road. But I think that may be based on the precedent of saying “September 11th” rather than “11th September”. The number of commas in an Indian balance sheet can drive you mad! Have to just bite the bullet and do it. As a mathematician, I presonally prefer to write dates like other numbers, i.e., using the ISO ordering cited. But the US date format is absolutely senseless (sorry guys, I love America but please go metric asap!). I now write the month in English to avoid confusion. Principe 8 : Développement des compétences. Nephro Update Europe 2021 – Vienna – 10 – 11 September, 2021. To be prudent, I always write dates dd mmm yyyy (eg 27 Oct 2012) to make sure there’s no confusion. Coronavirus disease (COVID-19), which is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), was first identified in December 2019 in Wuhan, China, and has since spread rapidly, evolving into a full-blown pandemic. In UK the date is consistently written DD MM YYYY, sometimes with a comma after the day, but spoken it is often reversed with “the” in the middle, thus July the seventh; More commonly it is known as 7/7 – and is then of course consistent with either convention – to associate with 9/11. But also remember that, thanks to India and other former colonies, as many people drive on the left as well as on the right. My theory is that Americans use the same format as us but have 31 months, interleaved in a peculiar way. For example, a news presenter will refer to the “July 7th” bombings, not the “7th of July” or “7th July” bombings. UEFA.com is the official site of UEFA, the Union of European Football Associations, and the governing body of football in Europe. *EUR => DD.MM.CCYY In the U.S., it would be April 9 (or 9th), 2012, or 4/9/12. I don’t understand why 4/9/12 is ambiguous but 2012-09-04 isn’t. (yyyy.dd.mm) in Kazakh and (dd.mm. I assumed (and I’m sure most people in Europe did as well) that “9/11” was purely a reference to the date? Respect des droits du travail conformes aux lois nationales des payset aux conventions de l’Organisation International du Travail (OIT). dd/mm/yyyy is also in common use. I used to fly to America a lot. New York Times outliers: “maths,” “trainers” and “mate”, http://www.usa.gov/Topics/Independence-Day.shtml, http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/scan.htm, Cách viết ngày tháng ở các nước khác nhau trên thế giới, “What we were able to provide our young men during an abbreviated season was a little bit of special”—U. Though perhaps that’s not an option for you. We’re not weirdos too. 4 December 2020. However, others hang on to old habits. In India, the DD-MM-YY is the predominant short form of the numeric date usage. Technical report - 10 Dec 2020. Almost all government documents need to be filled up in the DD-MM-YYYY format. In the UK, anyone who reaches 100 years old gets a telegram from the queen. AND be sure that the commas are in if you wrote the month in letters failing which your knuckles will have an appointment with the teacher’s ruler. Pingback: Cách viết ngày tháng ở các nước khác nhau trên thế giới. Unfortunately, he got the year wrong (it was 2011). Just be forward thinking by writing the date the correct way in the first place! See full time zone map As with most things in life, what one objects to is whatever’s at variance with what one grew up with. However pre-war I believe the date would more commonly have been written in the UK as, July 7th, 1920 – for example. Over 1/2 of the US can’t tell if a Celsius temperature is hot or cold. Hence, when quoting dates, it is quite logical to use DD:MM:YYYY and when referring to time within the 24 hour period, it is quite logical to use HH:MM:SS. The ten euro note (€10) is the second-lowest value euro banknote and has been used since the introduction of the euro (in its cash form) in 2002. United States Army Europe and Africa official homepage. So please edit the post. Article. Consider, for example, reports of three events that occur on January 20, April 15, and December 1 of 2012 (or any other year). I’m nearly 60 now. One was done in Europe, and the other is from U.S. military people (who, unlike typical Americans, use Euro-style dates and 24-hour time). This time zone is in use during standard time in: Europe, Africa.. And now let’s discuss metric vs imperial and why the Brits drive on the wrong side of the road…. Please explain, Historyfanatic! Simplest solution would be for us all to stick with the versions that involve logical progresssions, ie day month year or year month day. Choice of driving side is entirely arbitrary and a non sequitur. 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The European, Asian, and American date orders are all internally consistent and therefore both equally logical and equally arbitrary. Join Facebook to connect with Euro Date and others you may know. DMY and MDY are used interchangeably. But that’s just me… A friend cleared it up for me by mentioning the OTHER way of writing dates. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account.